I really did not mean to write this right now - but this comment by Om and the challenge posed by him forced me try to put forth some counter-arguement - on things that to me seem pretty obvious. He is disputing the claim that SRT has declined as an ODI batsman. How many people agree with him ?? Also, he is disputing the claim that Sehwag and Dravid are the 2 saviours of this batting lineup. OK - this is more debatable. But definitely, they were the saviours in the last Test series and are continuing in the ODI series that way. Let us see if India manage to win a single match in this series in which neither Sehwag nor Dravid contributes.
Now coming to thrashing out the arguement one point at a time. For some reason, Om goes on to make a list of series in which SRT played against those he didn't. Why I don't know. Perhaps he wishes to imply that SRT's presence has a morale-boosting effect on the team. This, I agree, was the case in the past, perhaps still is - but let's delve deeper in the arguement.
By all means, the WC 2003 is a fair place to start off. 2 years is an analysis period neither too short nor too long. SRT was fantastic in the World Cup - no 2 ways about that. In the TVS Cup that followed, he didn't play, so let's skip that. In another TVS Cup that followed, he was the Man Of The Series, with 2 match-winning hundreds, an 80+ and a fair effort in the finals. So far so good.
In the VB Series, he averaged 33.71 with 2 fifties. Poor definitely. In the 2 finals he averaged just 17.5. How typical !! Failing in the big games. But worse 193 runs at an average of 64.33 came in the first 3 innings of that series. 43 runs at an average of 10.75 came in the last 4 - shows what happens when the going gets tough, eh ?? This is a syndrome he has shown often recently - score big at the start so that the averages are fine and then flop on the big occasion. He has forgotten the art of "peaking at the correct time".
In Pakistan, he averaged 42.60. "Great !!!" - Om will cheer; but what about the fact that 144 of those runs came in 1 innings in a losing cause ?? What about the fact that he scored 69 at an average of 17.25 in the rest of the games ?? Again the "One big innings - job is done" syndrome. What about the fact that he scored 41 in the last 3 games at an average of 13.67 ?? Again the "Not being able to peak at the right time" syndrome.
Let's turn our attention to the darkest period in India's recent ODI history - the Asia Cup. Tendulkar averaged 56.20 - "Wonderful !!!" - No doubt Om will cheer. What about the fact that if you take out the 82* against Bangladesh, the average drops down to 39.8 ??? What about the fact the strike rate of 72.42 was a full 14 runs lower than his career strike rate ?? Again, Om will vehemently, no doubt argue, that in the finals, he put up a lone fight with 74 in 100 balls and that no one provided the necessary support. Statistically yes. But then does that change the fact that he stood there watching helplessly Sri Lankan part-timers run over the side ?? Where was that Tendulkar who had destroyed the Shoaib Akhtars and Shane Warnes ?? Why was he respectfully being bogged down by the Chandanas and the Dilshans of this World ?? OK. It's not possible to play a blazing innings all the time, and agreed, conditions at the Premadassa can be really difficult to bat on. But where was the intention that could be seen when faced with much tougher conditions in the Joburg final a year ago ?? Let me tell you this, Sachin, had you got out trying to destroy Vaas earlier in the innings like you did to McGrath on that day in Joburg, I would have honoured your effort that much more than the pathetic display of batsmanship (was it batsmanship at all ??) that terrible evening at the Premadassa. And who knows if you had hit a few off the middle of the bat and got a quick-fire 30-40, the middle order might not have capitulated so badly. Poor Kaif had to come and try to undo the damage done by you !! He stood no chance. It is you who has to set the tone of the innings and the rest have to respond. You failed us badly that night - an effort so hideous that it made another pathetic effort a couple of nights earlier against Pakistan seem glorious by comparison.
And then Om goes on to point out the losses when SRT wasn't there in 2 less-than-trivial series in Europe and the Champions Trophy. Well as far as the Holland match is concerned, I'm pretty sure SRT would have made a big difference - we lost by 80 odd runs - we would have lost by 40 odd - with SRT scoring another "glorious fighting innings of 70 in 100 balls" - and I doubt he would have done too much in th Champions Trophy either (except maybe he could have won us the match with his bowling) - well here we enter the realms of hypothesis. Well, whatever the case, seriously 6 matches (5 if you exclude the one against Kenya) is too short a period to say that we failed "due to the abscence of the SRT factor". As for the match against Bangladesh, all and sundry agree that Sachin's presence would have made no difference to the result WHILE DRAVID'S MIGHT HAVE. I watched that match in the company of a few ex-Ranji Trophy players and while experts are not always correct, especially on TV where they have to follow the politically correct line (ie. SRT and Ganguly are Gods and that anything that even hints at a suggestion of not showing them in the most glorious light is a sacrilege that needs to be ruthlessly punished and crushed) I'm pretty sure discussing with friends these pros know what they are talking about. Besides, I would like Om to put forth a list of signatures of persons who believe that SRT would have saved us on Tsunami Day in Dacca.
And note here that I have taken all the performances of SRT in isolation. Not even compared them to anyone else. After all, people have said that he would be the benchmark by which generations of batsmen in the future would be judged. In the last 1 year or so he has clearly failed to live up to his own benchmark.
And if Om wants to argue that SRT is going through a "bad patch", hasn't that "bad patch" been "a bit too long" this time ?? And if he wants to argue that SRT was plagued by injuries during this period, isn't "being plagued by injuries" at this time of one's career a patent indication that a decline is very much on and that the end is drawing nearer ??
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Finally, some logical arguments put forth! Yay!!
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How many people agree with him ??
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Why u seeking others help?
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He is disputing the claim that SRT has declined as an ODI batsman. (/snip)
I have given that as a matter of subjective analysis.
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But definitely, they were the saviours in the last Test series and are continuing in the ODI series that way.
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We are discussing ODIs here. And if u r going to offer them savior tag based on 1 match or 1 series, it wud b a good joke. Anyways, whats about the past yr? What have they done in past 2 yrs to be called "saviors in ODIs"?
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In the 2 finals he averaged just 17.5. How typical !! Failing in the big games.
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And what were the records of our saviors? This debate is mainly about "who is savior and who is not" and not about "form of SRT"
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But then does that change the fact that he stood there watching helplessly Sri Lankan part-timers run over the side ??
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I guess we watched this match togethor. he used to take a single, believeing in the potential of players like dravid and yuvraj and ganguly, who incidently cud not even manage to rotate the strike. Had it been a case with tailenders, criticism is justified. But the SL part-timers were running over our top order which is the blame of other top batsmen, not SRT.
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had you got out trying to destroy Vaas earlier in the innings like you did to McGrath on that day in Joburg, I would have honoured your effort that much more than the pathetic display of batsmanship
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I doubt! Its a lie...Even in yest's match, sachin was out while trying to be aggressive. You have promptly noted that as a failure.
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the losses when SRT wasn't there in 2 less-than-trivial series in Europe and the Champions Trophy.
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Joke of the day!!! Why were they trivial? They were international ODIs, and our players are professionals. My point was, what our saviors were doing in these 3 series? Lets not deal with if's n but's. The result - our "saviors" were pathetic.
And what I want is comparison between our saviors and SRT. Someone is called savior if he performs better than others.
So one of my questions still remains unanswered!
HOW DO YOU JUSTIFY THE SAVIOR TAG FOR SEHWAG AND DRAVID, IN ODI?
Awaiting your reply...
How annoying !! I put forth a detailed arguement and what you do is pick off some snips in isolation.
I have statted quite explicitly that this analysis was done of SRTs performance alone and not in comparison with the "saviors".
If you want that analysis, that will come in a later post. So I think as far as the main topic in the post is concerned, you seem to have agreed that a decline is very much on.
And yes, that savior tag was referring to the current series against Pakistan. You picked up 2 lines out of context from the original post and made such a big deal of it. Anyway as I have said, let us see how many matches India win without either Sehwag or Dravid contributing in THIS series.
Team India’s two few good men
FAISAL SHARIFF
Posted online: Friday, April 08, 2005 at 0102 hours IST
NEW DELHI, APRIL 7: India’s runaway 2-0 lead in the six-match one-day series against Pakistan has been built largely on the contributions of Virender Sehwag and Rahul Dravid — and, latterly, the pyrotechnics of MS Dhoni.
That’s the good news. The bad news, obviously, is the flip side: the other frontline batsman are yet to perform.
Between them, Tendulkar and Ganguly have scored 23,426 runs in ODIs; in the two matches of this current series, they’ve together scored 15 runs.
Yuvraj and Kaif, too, are on a sticky wicket; they’ve together scored just 38 runs in the two matches.
How important is Sehwag? In the last five ODIs, he’s scored 21 pc of the team’s total runs; on the one occasion he was out for a duck, against Bangladesh, India lost the match. In 12 previous ODI innings, when he had just one substantial knock — a half-century against Sri Lanka — the team lost seven matches, every one-day tournament and every series.
But even Sehwag’s contribution pales against Dravid’s. Even when Sehwag was struggling with the bat before his current rich vein of form, Dravid had been scoring consistently for India. In the last 23 matches he has scored 904 runs at an average of 47.5 — 15.9 pc of the team’s total. In fact, in the last 10 ODIs, Dravid has had an astonishing run with five 50s and a hundred and 22 pc of the team’s total runs.
The others? Even though each player has got a fifty to show through this lean phase in ODIs, which began with the Asia Cup in July 2004, a collective effort has been elusive. The same team that had a potential match-winner for every situation is today too dependent on Sehwag and Dravid to fire.
There is a lesson to be learnt by India here from the drawn Test series against Pakistan.
In the six innings against Pakistan, Sehwag and Gautam Gambhir strung opening partnerships of 113, 85, 80, 23, 98 and 87, with Sehwag doing the bulk of the scoring.
Yet India only managed to draw the series. The greatness of a team is measured by how they anticipate a problem and react before it occurs. Australia do that brilliantly well; it’s time India followed suit.
JJ Okocha
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